Predict what will happen when LKY is no longer around`

Cindyfeh SG

I think HarryPussy made a good point.

If you don't like it here, migrate! I don't it here, so i am migrating! You can do it too! If you think like me, frankly speaking, you don't really care if LKY is around or not.

Let the PAP worshippers stay here and continue to be disillusioned.

crazy monkey SG

i heard if you denounce your citizenship can take out all your cpf.. is it true ? anyone to confirm ?

sgdiehard SG

Not all in singapore are PAP worshippers. Singaporean disillusioned?? hardly!!

Anyway, LKY is singaporean domestic affair, why are the [email protected]#k are you here then??? still migrating?

sgdiehard SG

yes, unless you take up malaysian citizenship.

Cindyfeh SG

Why am I here? Cause I am born here. I will need time to migrate.

You one of the PAP worshippers?

Xprobe SG

To be fair, LKY rose to the occasion and calling of his time and did his job well for the survival of the masses and creating wealth. It was relevant during those times.

dragg SG

every country has its problems. our tax is not as high as australia.

good or bad depends on what each individual wants. if a luxurious bungalow is all you ask for then of course singapore is not as good a place as australia.

SBS3641G SG

Yeah, during those times. Laughing What worked out in the past will not necessarily work today. Times have changed. Everyone has to move on, even LKY himself.

gorby107 SG

Ok here, now in the modern Singapore we have the luxury of having so many things like computer, MP3, radio and etc. If not for LKY and his team doing, Singapore will not be like that today and will be like Malaysia or Indonesia still developing. Your can have the pleasure and time using this technology to write all the crticism on the government which we are allowed here but not to the extend. If we don’t have this technology and still backward and want to complaint. How to do it? Do in violence and fighting break out and not having peace. You all don’t want to have this right?? We should be grateful for LKY and his team and not crticisng as they build up Singapore to become a high-tech country and if want to complaint do it in a peaceful way and everyone benefit like that. So you all should be happy to be in this state now even though there is some harsh laws by the government. Our Life is better now than the 60s and if not for him we today complaint the government also but also worrying about yourself without food, job etc. So think carefully before action

gorby107 SG

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dragg SG

to be fair the PAP has indeed done a great job in bringing singapore to what it is today. of course LKY is not the only one who deserves credit. a good leader needs good people too. there are/were many others.

but there is also no denying that there are flaws in many policies, especially evident now.

HarryPussy SG

Eh...our tax not as high as australia?? Hmm...what abt alternate tax...like GST, ERP, High petrol cost, high housing cost tat's sucking s'porean high n dry??

To be frank, i have lived extensively in both countries and assuming with 3000 bucks (the currencies abt the same in both countries)...my quality of life is much much better in aussie land. I have my own landed house, brand new car and still have much to save. In singapore, cant even start a family, got to get my parents to down the deposit for my 4room hdb flat...

Try talking to the hdb heartlander, everywhere i heard is complains...

Lowclassman SG

How about puuting LKY to run Malaysia or Indonesia??? You think he can manage like singapore? My balls

boy in blues SG

he can only manage countries where citizens accept policies with unquestioning obedience. like S'pore inc or Japan inc. not a tough job. he not around, we find Forrest Gump to replace

dragg SG

i agree with you that our cost of living is too high. but again it depends on the individual. you are not an aussie even if you get a australian citizenship, regardless of how well you adapt. there are always pros and cons. many singaporeans choose to stay because their parents and friends are in singapore. if landed property, brand new car and money is what you desire then of course australia is probably the choice for you.

Cindyfeh SG

If you compare the development of Singappore to African and south america countries and Indonesia, we are definitely better. I wouldn't want to compare to Malaysia though. I don't see the standard of living any lower in Malaysia.

But I think we should compare ourselves to more relevant countries or cities like Japan, Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur and even China (Shang hai, beijing, guangzhou etc). Whatever benefits you wrote up there, people in those places enjoy as well. No doubt LKY and PAP made Singapore a not-so-corrupted country, but as for the economic success, I think their contribution weren't much, just a matter of following textbook and economists' recommendation. Singapore in the 50s, 60s, 70s, is just riding with the after-war-world 2 economic boom experienced by many countries.

Try travelling more will ya? and take what was written in our local media with a BIG pinch of salt -> for example, many Singaporeans believe China Chinese are very hardworking. NOT SO. Many of them enjoy 8-5pm work life balance and 5 working days! Another misconception is China media very restrictive. Again NOT SO. China media did alot of social work by exposing many im-moral businesses and government officials. In Singapore what? Just NKF?

So let me repeat again. Travel more and you will see that Singapore is not very much different from KL, Beijing, Shanghai, Japan, etc.

Honeybunz SG

Without LKY, I will probably be living in a kampong and now cutting rubber tree barks at the rubber plantation, instead of comfortably surfing internet in an air con room..

dragg SG

i am sure a lot of people are frustrated at what is going on. (tight job market, high cost of living, overworked and whatnot) but i noticed you are extremely negative about singapore. care to share the reason?

Honeybunz SG

GST is only 5% in Singapore. Housing cost is not high, considering the fact that we do not have much land here. At least, most ppl can afford a decent flat to live in, with the help of CPF. You may think that government is sucking us dry by forcing us to save money in CPF. But we have to admit that this generation is so spoilt that we do not know how to save anymore.

ERP, High petrol cost .... Well, if a person chooses to live in luxury of driving to and fro work every day, ERP and petrol cost is nothing to him (it is his choice after all). Likewise, if you choose to live in the private condo, you cannot complain paying the high maintenance fee every six months cuz it's your choice.

If you complain about insurance and road tax, how much is it every year? It is nothing, compared to having to pay 40% income tax every year, right? If you earn $4000 a month, $1600 goes to govt's pocket. Since income tax is only paid once a year, can you imagine every year, when the income tax filing is up, you have to start scratching your head, thinking of how to pay the 5 digit figure of income tax. Even our AWS and variable bonus can't cover that.

But of course, it is personal perference. If you prefer to own a landed property (owning a landed property in Aust, which is so cheap) and buy cheap cars, and at the same time, don't mind paying income tax with almost of your salary, then of course Aust is anytime better.

Cindyfeh SG

Sure dragg. You can refer to this thread:
http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=143316&page=1

Basically its about Singapore having zero natural resource and Singaporeans need to work long hours as a result of that.

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